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I was all set to write a post about how bizarre it is that nearly all the fictional former (or current) military-type Americans served in Afghanistan rather than Iraq during the war post 9/11. And then I did research on both wars and it seems that having them in Afghanistan is not as annoyingly unreasonable as it seemed (especially in the case of my personal favorite American military-type, John Sheppard).

I'm still not sure why John Diggle of Arrow or Steven McGarrett of Hawaii Five-O couldn't have both been awesome in Iraq instead, but it's plausible so what the hell.

Unfortunately, that left me with nothing terribly interesting to post about, so instead I'm going to link to [livejournal.com profile] ushobwri, where the always-awesome and very thoughtful [livejournal.com profile] brumeier declared that it's Hottie Wednesday. "Hottie Wednesday" means that there are lots of pictures of beautiful people in the comments because, Wednesday. And at least I don't have to be creative or inspired to look at beautiful people. Not to mention that posting links to photobucket is way easier than actually thinking of anything.

Enjoy! And happy hump day. And stay warm, for those of you in the cold places. :)

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29/1/14 20:15 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] brumeier.livejournal.com
Always happy to deliver some eye candy on a random Wednesday. ::grins::

Afghanistan is the new Iraq. You need to keep up on trends, baby cakes.

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4/2/14 21:45 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
And it's always appreciated!

I hear you about Afghanistan being the new Iraq--I'll have to make sure my Al Qaeda boots match my purse...

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29/1/14 20:21 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] firesign10.livejournal.com
Hahahah I posted early there, I need to ho back and check out more hotties!! ;-)

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4/2/14 21:46 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
And thank you for checking. I certainly enjoyed yours. ;)

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29/1/14 22:27 (UTC)
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I wonder if it has something to do with Americans being so deeply conflicted about Iraq. Especially if it's being thrown in as backstory for a heroic character, as opposed to actually dealing with the issues, I think Afghanistan is somewhat more abstract as "random far-off place that war happened", rather than something that (Western American-type) people have more specific associations with, mostly bad associations. People think of Iraq and automatically think of Fallujah and Abu Ghraib and dead civilians and hell maybe we shouldn't have been there in the first place, and even if Afghanistan wasn't that different, it has different enough popular connotations (or maybe it's just obscure enough) that I think it's easier for writers to use it as backstory window dressing on a character who is meant to be a straight-up war hero. (ETA: I don't mean this to imply that someone who served in Iraq can't be a war hero, just that the popular connotations are more like Vietnam than, say, Desert Storm.)

Also, in Sheppard's case specifically, he would have had to be in Afghanistan for the timeline to work out, I think, since SGA premiered in 2004 and we only invaded Iraq a year or so before that ...
Edited 29/1/14 22:28 (UTC)

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30/1/14 00:32 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taliahale.livejournal.com
Re: Timeline--yeah, it would've been pretty weird for John to serve in Iraq. Not impossible, but a bit of a stretch, especially considering what we think he was doing in that period of his career. (Let's be real, Stargate's not the best at giving us canonical background material that, uh, makes sense.)

People think of Iraq and automatically think of Fallujah and Abu Ghraib and dead civilians and hell maybe we shouldn't have been there in the first place, and even if Afghanistan wasn't that different, it has different enough popular connotations.

This is pretty accurate in my experience. I'm actually a social work student with a focus on military outreach (basically) and even civilians who're active in the military community tend to hold a similar viewpoint to the one you've laid out.

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4/2/14 21:53 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
I agree about John having to have served in Afghanistan per the SGA timeline. Sorry I wasn't clearer about that in my post. Once I read about the Iraq/Afghanistan timelines, I was actually impressed that SyFy even researched it.

I'd also been wondering if the media's use of Afghanistan as the 'war of choice' for contemporary veterans was because it's less well known and therefore has fewer negative connotations. But it bugs me that there seems to be this assumption that saying a character served in Iraq would make people think the veteran might be bad, rather than the war he or she had no choice to serve in.

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5/2/14 01:25 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taliahale.livejournal.com
But it bugs me that there seems to be this assumption that saying a character served in Iraq would make people think the veteran might be bad, rather than the war he or she had no choice to serve in.

A thousand times this. As someone who works with vets (I use 'works with' loosely, I'm an intern and studying military social work)there's a definite stigma, even amongst staff at various military-oriented institutions. It...I mean, pisses me off doesn't quite cover it, because they have no choice at all about deployments or anything like that. With rare exceptions, the Iraq vets I've met have been just as honorable and kind as those who served anywhere else.

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5/2/14 03:42 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
Yeah, that really sucks, to put it mildly. Considering how publicized it was when some U.S. soldiers tried to get political refugee status in Canada because they refused to fight in Iraq, you'd think that the public would understand just how impossible it was to avoid being deployed there. That's really unfair.

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5/2/14 03:58 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taliahale.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm sort of shocked by the public reaction, tbh. I thought people had a better understanding of how the basics of military life work, but I guess not.

If this is something you're interested in, a friend from my program just lent me Dahr Jamail's book on modern resisters, The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight in Iraq and Afghanistan (http://www.amazon.com/The-Will-Resist-Soldiers-Afghanistan/dp/1931859884). I'm not finished with it, but so far it's a great read.

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5/2/14 04:07 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
Thank you. I might find that too depressing, but I will check it out.

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15/2/14 08:49 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] darkmoore.livejournal.com
My brohter in law just got deployed to Afghanistan - again - even though they said he wouldn't be going again. He's been in Iraq twice, befgore AND Afghanistan and I am pretty sure that there is no difference in ugliness, danger and/or the psychological effects. It just plain sucks for them and their families.

Have a look at this:
http://www.amazon.com/Day-After-He-Left-Iraq/dp/1602392943

Even just one chapter totally broke my heart. Because that's how it is and what is happening in those families who are stading by helplessly as they watch a loved one get deployed. Bring tissues - fair warning.

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19/2/14 20:12 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
You are very brave for reading that book. I think it would be far too sad for me.

I'm sure you're right about there being no difference between Afghanistan and Iraq in terms of deployments, other than (apparent) public perception.

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4/2/14 21:49 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. :D I was thinking it was for exactly that reason--that Afghanistan had somehow ended up being more 'heroic' because it was less known and therefore less conflicted. I also agree with you that it's not fair to lump in the veterans of Iraq with the Iraq war itself. At least here it seems that, unlike Vietnam, Iraq veterans don't seem to be seen or portrayed as villains.

You're also right about Sheppard. That's what I meant in my post, actually--that he would've had to have been in Afghanistan because of when SGA started. Sorry I wasn't clear about that.

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